but two papers endorsed obama which who i voted for and ten endorsed romney. >> rose: speaking of obama, the president, do you think he'll be different in the second term? >> somewhat. he won't -- >> rose: what makes you think that and how? >> i think second terms are different than the first terms. >> rose: first terms can be full of land mines, too. >> they can be. but in the first tomorrow some extent you and your party have to be thinking about your reelection. and a second term certainly frees up that aspect of it and then the question is how effective you can be in getting congress to work with you. >> rose: you have access to him. he calls you and -- >> i've never called him. (laughter) i've never called the president. >> rose: but you talk to him on the phone and go meet him. do you think he has a new attitude about business that's come about because of the first four years? >> i think that in the first term he felt that business misunderstood hoopl and i think that business felt that he misunderstood -- they were misunderstood. i think they -- >> rose: do you think he believes